From: xtraspec@ix..spamblock.com (Tom Avery) Subject: ASSC: AFTSD - From St. John's Wort to worse.... Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 21:35:10 GMT A GOS e-mail conversation goes from St. John's Wort to worse... [Tom] Alright, alright... what is this stuff??? I'm missing something here. Two days ago I started a private email to PK to question whether this was a scotch or whiskey but trashed the note 'cause I thought I heard the answer, now I know I'm in the dark... [David] I just couldn't bear to snip any more of the above. It describes much of my state of mind for some time now. As many similarities as we of the GOS have noticed in our backgrounds and attitudes, the spiral seems to be tightening. It's almost like we're a bunch of women living together, as our periods start to synchronize... (there's that menopausal reference again.) [TA] Ugghhh.... Thanks for nothing David. I did not need this visual reference! It's bad enough to think about women's period's synchronizing, but guys hormonal cycle's too??? If we take for a fact that women's period's can synchronize... the question becomes one of why? The women that bitch together, stick together? Or is it a learned response to declining male sperm counts? Do they then expect all their guys to save up for one grand and glorious night of sex and trading partners with all the women are ovulating to best insure the chances of immaculate conception?? [David] Strange. I wish Steve were avaialble to respond. [TA] No, this is too close to ghastly bowel descriptions as it is..... [David] >[TA] >If we take for a fact that women's period's can synchronize... the question >becomes one of why? The women that bitch together, stick together? Or is it >a learned response to declining male sperm counts? Do they then expect all >their guys to save up for one grand and glorious night of sex and trading >partners with all the women are ovulating to best insure the chances of >immaculate conception?? I believe it is basically a group protection thing. If a group of women living together ovulate at the same time, it increases the likelihood of conceiving at the same time. (And also allows a horny male of a multiple female household to impregnate multiple women on the same or adjacent nights.) This increases the likelihood of survival of children, due to shared resources, etc. I read an article on this in Time magazine a while back, but doubt I can find the citation. The body does a bunch of neat sexual shit to increase the chances of procreation... For example, if a man and women are together and don't have sex, the man's sperm count doesn't change much. BUT, if you seperate the couple, and especially if you introduce new females into the situation, the man's sperm count jumps WAY up. Don't need to explain why. [TA] Ah HA!!!! The new cure for couples with infertility problems..... Wife leaves the house 4 days before she's supposed to ovulate. Drop dead beautiful surogate wife moves in for 4 days. Walks around the house half naked. Husband is allowed to look but no touching. He may even need a male chastity belt. Sperm count rises. Wife returns, presto, bamo, baby! or for the Idle worshipors.... Wife slaps chastity belt on husband for 4 days. Then arms him with ones, tens, and twentys, and sends him to strip club every nite. Limit $ expended on drinks, and dancer drinks to a minimum. Require maximum stage tipping, and lapping? C-belt might make standard lap dances a little hard, but I'm sure that generally pawing by dancers could have the desired effect. Repeat for 4 nights before.. presto, bamo, baby... [TA businessman] .....Now we charge big bucks as therapists to give couples this advice, provide surogate wife for 50% cut (no sex = no prostitution, right?), act as in-club escorts for married man, or even play holder of the $ while he is at club, to insure that a proper good time is had by him... all the while we get paid!!!! Oh... I like it. Even better than a one time screen shot fuck with Zara.... [idleeric, j.d.] brilliant!! even under current law, provides a "medical necessity" defense to Idles getting busted .... "medical marijuana"--> "medical lapdance" But what about the "therapists"? Need licences? no problem ... they already are required to be licenced in many jurisdictions. The Church lobby? hell, it's promoting procreation! one problem: what about all the single guys ???? [TA Realist] Big enough market without worrying about them. [David] I've been reading a book: "The Hormone of Desire: The Truth About Sexuality, Menopause and Testosterone," by Susan Rako, MD. The primary hypothesis of the book is that testosterone is responsible for libido not only in men, but in women too. The hormone is produced by adrenal glands and ovaries in women, and in testes and adrenal glands in men. [Interesting side fact: Men also produce estrogen. The level of estrogen in a man's body is roughly the same as a post-menopausal woman.] It's much more interesting than it might sound, and in the course of reading it, I'm starting to wonder if perhaps a slightly higher-than-normal level of testosterone production is the magnet that keeps "regulars" going to strip clubs, while other men just walk away. Think: A clinical explanation for the PL Syndrome! Here are some research findings from Dr. James M. Dabbs, Jr., a professor and researcher at eh Department of Psychology at Georgia State University in Atlanta: 1. Testosterone levels cycle daily. They are highest in the morning, on awakening, and fall by as much as one-third to one-half during the day. [I wonder if in strip-club-goers, the levels fall off less rapidly, or not at all.] 2. Testosterone levels rise and fall with experiences of success and failure in social encounters. [Clubbers have a falsely enhanced rate of success in social encounters, because it only takes $10 or $20 to "succeed" with what's-her-name at Platinum's.] 3. Sexual experience stimulates a rise in testosterone, more for women thand for men. [No wonder those dancers are so irritable and aggressive!] 4. In an initial study of ninety-two men in eight occupations and an unemployed category [musician?], ministers were lowest in testosterone, while professional football players and actors were highest. [Too bad they didn't rate by avocation and not just vocation!] 5. Trial lawyers have slightly higher levels of testosterone than nontrial lawyers. [idle, take a bow.] Now get this: "Research results show... that college students who have levels of testosterone in the higher range show no corresponding inclination to antisocial behavior, while groups of other "high testosterone" individuals lacking educational direction or some other focus or structure in their lives are more likely to demonstrate deliquency, substance abuse, and social instability." Bingo! We leave college. We start our careers, and our "home lives." We age. The challenge and focus and "educational direction" vanish from our lives... So rather than demonstrate anti-social behavior, we go to strip clubs! I'm thinking of publishing this in JAMA, as soon as I remove the exclamation marks. David